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T O P I C R E V I E WCardinalT-SquareSo, I met this woman at my Brother's wedding a month ago, we danced together to a few songs and I kissed her, she's good friends with my Brother's now Wife, so I'll see her again, everyone is pushing for us to date, I like our Synastry, Composite, and Davison Charts, but I could use some outside opinions. Do you see what I see? I'm blue, she's red. Her chart is rectified to within a minute margin of error.Here's the Synastry: Composite: And Davison: Thanks guys!Saggy7Don't take my opinion to heart, not an expert by far...but I don't see a lot of conjunctions in the Composite, I counted maybe 3 or 4 and none include personal planets..however, I did see Venus conjunct NN which is suppose to be really goodNeptune conjunct MC and desc Node conjunct MC (have no knowledge what these mean)..if I may ask, how relevant is Desc Node? I never included it in any of my chartsCardinalT-Square quote:Originally posted by Saggy7:EDIT: I take that back, I also see Sun conjunct Uranus/NeptuneOther 2 Neptune conjunct MC and desc Node conjunct MC (have no knowledge what these mean)..if I may ask, how relevant is Desc Node? I never included it in any of my chartsWhere do you see Sun conjunct Uranus and Neptune?No relevance, I just like adding it for easier processing.Saggy7 quote:Originally posted by CardinalT-Square: Where do you see Sun conjunct Uranus and Neptune?No relevance, I just like adding it for easier processing.My apologies, saw that all wrong. It is just Uranus conjunct NeptuneEdit: I would not be surprised if experienced people on here would find many great aspects in your charts, that seems to happen a lot since I am still just learning.. what I think looks like a great chart ends up not being and vice versa lol. So please don't get discouraged by my short comment Also, I think a lot of these oppositions you have going on could be very positive (I see a few with Venus)vansio✌🏽Librapurr@vansio You really underestimate 24 y.o. girls, it’s not 18. Especially, Aquarius/Gemini , Aries could be quite dangerous 😊 ( sorry, I caught it before) Nodes are pretty well aspected in Synastry/composite, and nice houses placements. So there’s significance. However, much tension, arguing, misunderstandings with a lot of personal planets squares, especially, hard Mercury . And Jupiter sq. Pluto in comp. Maybe, some non-traditional arrangement, common business. And she might be not a traditional person by herself.vansioGlad you saw it. But also, I removed my post because I don’t wish to paint the picture of your budding relationship with my Own opinions. God bless Did you catch the bit where I asked if she happened to be foreign or of a different culture? I wrote a lot, not sure when/how much you read. Or the bit about first meeting charts. “Also, generate your first meeting chart. This will be more helpful and distinct to understand the energy influencing, leading up to, the moment you met ... pretty sure Saturn’s been opposite Venus. Synastry and composites can be deceiving to the naked eye [...] By chance, is she foreign, of a different culture then you? You’re instinctively looking for a joyful, educated person to partner up with, a woman who is flamboyant, upfront, somewhat ideological, who is passionate and transformational, but a little extreme and indulgent ... considering the age gap and Sun-NN, I’m assuming your soul is taking a culture-difference route for the learning edge, if not solely by experimenting with age ”LibrapurrI deleted a part of my post also when I saw you deleted it. I just didn’t want to completely discard my efforts for writing down this opinion. 😊Also, I was kinda surprised. A many women mid 20s are looking to settle down. In opposite, a lot of men of this age group aren’t ready and mature enough. (Average, not these placements) I think it’s pretty common these particular age groups to mingle. You might see a different picture.The unusual here for me, how somebody that Saturnian and Libra could consider seriously somebody that Uranian. 😊Stoika7If TOB is correct, Composite Neptune/South Node midpoint is conjunct MC and square to Vertex, which is also square Venus/IC/North Node. This looks extremely fated. You are both fascinated and intrigued by each other at first sight and your draw to each other feels powerful. However this contains a challenge about events or circumstances potentially keeping physically separated, in addition with Uranus conjunct Neptune opposite Venus in the picture this looks extremely platonic. Chiron is square to Pluto and opposite to the Mars/Saturn midpoint, this looks like a potential toxic trait or obsessive pattern but also contains other priorities in individual lives given by Pluto square Jupiter which might be challenging and trigger the obsessive/controlling issue. My feeling is that this could start with a strong sexual draw and affair, but there could be other basic elements in your lives challenging the relationship or keeping you separated, and which might turn to a romantic struggle or unrequited love. With Pluto conjunct Saturn square Venus in synastry, if this stays platonic it's going to be harsh to let go. The Moon/Jupiter midpoint is conjunct MC and square Vertex, therefore involved also with South Node/Neptune. This could be sign of a strong bond feeling long term, my concern is that Neptune/South node here might give parting ways or a strong question mark, and with the Vertex square to this, things again look so fated and unpredictable... CardinalT-Square quote:Originally posted by vansio: Did you catch the bit where I asked if she happened to be foreign or of a different culture? I wrote a lot, not sure when/how much you read. Or the bit about first meeting charts. “Also, generate your first meeting chart. This will be more helpful and distinct to understand the energy influencing, leading up to, the moment you met ... pretty sure Saturn’s been opposite Venus. Synastry and composites can be deceiving to the naked eye [...] By chance, is she foreign, of a different culture then you? You’re instinctively looking for a joyful, educated person to partner up with, a woman who is flamboyant, upfront, somewhat ideological, who is passionate and transformational, but a little extreme and indulgent ... considering the age gap and Sun-NN, I’m assuming your soul is taking a culture-difference route for the learning edge, if not solely by experimenting with age ”No, we're both "Made in USA"😉😆 You got my type narrowed down, I do enjoy a woman who knows how to have fun, but also a strong head on her shoulders. Despite my Capricorn Descendant, I enjoy younger women, and they're attracted to me, if you met me in real life though, you'd be hard-pressed to believe I'm 34, most think I'm 21😆How do I make a "First Meeting Chart"?Thanks for everyone's opinion! Keep'em coming!@Stoika7: We both enjoy the square/opposition energies, especially me since she changes my natal T-Square to a Grand-Cross, so we have many outlets for our energy, and any dissagreements we potentially would have, we would just joke about them and laugh. We don't sweat the small unimportant stuff, advantages to me being a Libra Moon and her an Aries Sun, Mars, and Saturn.I also like how her Sun, Mercury, and Venus mirror mine in their respective house placements😆😉Stoika7I'm not talking about squares. I'm talking about the Composite South Node/Neptune midpoint conjunct MC square Vertex, this is an energy usually pointing to parting ways and unattainable situations... then, you might enjoy squares/opposition, but Chiron square Pluto with the Saturn/Mars midpoint opposition is a strong controlling and potentially toxic aspect anyway. Of course I wish you that the binding energy of Venus/North Node/IC opposite Moon/Jupiter midpoint is the winner here. CardinalT-SquareHere's our "First Meeting Chart": I don't remember the exact time we first laid eyes on each other, so it might be off a minute or 2, I ommited the Vertex for now because of the unsure minute. Let me know if I missed anything.Librapurr@Stoika7 Do you think transit Neptune squares composite Node would be better than Neptune/SN? Stoika7tr. Neptune to the nodes is quite karmic to me, even though it usually gives strong uncertainty about future direction. With neptune conjunct IC square the nodes/Moon in the meeting chart, your meeting happened under a strong otherworldly and romantic energy and it might point to unsolved matters/unfullfilled emotions, while with tr. neptune trine to Composite Venus/North Node/IC the meetings has a fairy tale vibe, and transiting North Node/Sun midpoint was conjunct IC/Venus again, so the fated feeling looks quite amazing and significant here. CardinalT-SquareThanks Stoika7! Though, I'm not sure if our first meeting would really be considered romantic or otherworldly, we met at the wedding rehearsal, nothing really interesting about that😆 I didn't even talk to her until she came up and asked if she could dance with me at the actual wedding.Stoika7I'm referring to the meeting chart, so that's the overall underlying energy of that day, not necessarily related to the circumstances of your meeting. To have a better idea of how those energies could impact your relationship/meeting I suggest to pull out a tri-multicomposite between your birth data, hers and the event data. Librapurr@Stoika7 Thank you. I had much mystery with Neptune sq. Composite Nodes.CardinalT-SquareWhat are your guys's opinions on her Sun conjunct my NN and my Moon conjunct her NN, followed by my Mars square her Nodes and my Sun square both our Nodes? I've read others opinions saying it's better for the man's Sun to be conjunct the woman's NN and for the woman's Moon to be conjunct the man's NN, is this just a case in biases? My Sun in my First House can't stand a dominate woman, so I'm hoping if we pursue something more serious, role reversal won't be too much of a hindrance. As I said before, we don't sweat the small bs, so I'm more concerned about bigger issues.Anyone have experience with both Venuses being involved in a T-Square with Saturn? Specifically our T-Square if possible.livvywatermonkey@Cardinal T-Square I think the Vertex connections are significant in your charts, her Virgo 7th house Vertex in your 3rd house ... I think you two could sustain something long term with each other but the challenge I feel that may arise is for you to be & remain open to her feedback & analysis on situations, & not mistaking her observations for her necessarily challenging your role in the relationship as the man ...to think of her contributions as enhancing your relationship instead of undermining your role, otherwise I think you could be operating from a place of insecurity about your role in relationship & take all forms of input as though they were her “aggressing” & this would not be helpful to creating/sustaining equal partnership which is defined by balance & exchange, not stasis.I think if you are comfortable with her natural modes of expressing as an Aries Sun & secure in expressing your nurturing side towards her this could work ^_^Let me know what you think, even if it doesn’t really resonate CardinalT-Square quote:Originally posted by livvywatermonkey: I think if you are comfortable with her natural modes of expressing as an Aries Sun & secure in expressing your nurturing side towards her this could work ^_^Let me know what you think, even if it doesn’t really resonate That resonates quite accurately, even though I don't much care for the reversed roles😆 I let her take control a couple times while we were dancing, and surprisingly, it turned out to be a lot of fun, she didn't like it too much that I was doing so much of the leading😆 She was thinking it was best for us both to have an equal amount of fun, just like me. I'm not used to women actually wanting to take the helm, usually I end up doing all the work, and not worrying about what they want, they just follow my lead. It was weird, but yet soothing and relaxing going with the flow for once. I can't even begin to describe how amazing it was to finally have an Aries woman who's Sun and other personal planet (in this case Mars) close enough to actually be in orb when opposing my Moon, and squaring my Mars and Sun, it was such a relief to have somewhere else for my T-Square energy to flow. Now if only someone could help me understand the Cardinal and Fixed Grand-Crosses we share in our Synastry? Especially since both our Nodes are involved with our cardinal cross.CardinalT-SquareIn addition to my previous post...anyone have personal experience with Moon in someone else's 8th House? Anyone experience the double-whammy like our synastry? And finally...What if any, would your guys' experience be with someone's Venus in the same sign as another's Chiron like? Not the conjunction nor parallel, just being in the same sign. Does that even count? Especially since our's is in Gemini, which is a mutable sign.Hikaru29 quote:Originally posted by CardinalT-Square:Now if only someone could help me understand the Cardinal and Fixed Grand-Crosses we share in our Synastry? Especially since both our Nodes are involved with our cardinal cross.I have a natal t-square (Mars-Moon-Venus) in mutable signs. I often vacillate between what I want and need, do or don't do. My guy's Sun completes it into a grand cross and he's like my sounding board. He helps me feel more confident with my decisions. He will challenge me at times. Although people say the grand cross is tension but I find it a good outlet for my t-square. There's a lot of growth.For yours in Cardinal signs... I feel that she will push you to take action, or don't. She will challenge your way of thinking. quote:I've read others opinions saying it's better for the man's Sun to be conjunct the woman's NN and for the woman's Moon to be conjunct the man's NN, is this just a case in biases?I learned this in vedic, specifically from Astrolada. It makes sense when you think of Sun=masculine=male and Moon=feminine=female. She explains it as naturally for a man they want to feel a woman's feminine energy and for a woman, the other way around, so for your NN to be conjunct her Sun you're drawn by her definitely but over time, you might find her masculine energy too strong. But that's not to say your NN conjunct her Sun and her NN conjunct your Moon are bad. They're still good. She might really appreciate your nurturing side. However, you did say that with your Sun in 1H you don't like dominating woman, but look at her chart. She IS dominating (lol). I'm seeing tension attraction here so whether this turns into a tango or squabble waits to be seen, hehe... I'm also thinking that your Mars in 7H is why you're drawn to her Aries traits but Mars square Mars there and in Composite you have Sun square Mars. CardinalT-SquareThanks Hikaru29! That makes things a little clearer for me. Is their a lot of arguing between you and your guy?Hikaru29 quote:Originally posted by CardinalT-Square:Thanks Hikaru29! That makes things a little clearer for me. Is their a lot of arguing between you and your guy?There's a lot of sparring between us and it's fun, but when we argue we can really come at each other. I'm more agressive maybe becos of my t-square. CardinalT-SquareIt's still too early to tell, but yeah, it's like that for us too. I did a Magi Relationship Report on us, according to them, there'll be a lot of power struggles/plays, but overall a really solid relationship, if we both choose to go down that path. We share the highest "Soul-Mate Geometries" and the highest "Conflict Resolution" metrics I've ever shared with any woman. It blew my mind how compatible we are! Do you know anything about squares to the Nodes in synastry Hikaru29 (or anyone that wants to share their experience)? Anyone else notice anything that may have been overlooked?
Here's the Synastry:
Composite:
And Davison:
Thanks guys!
Neptune conjunct MC and desc Node conjunct MC (have no knowledge what these mean)..if I may ask, how relevant is Desc Node? I never included it in any of my charts
quote:Originally posted by Saggy7:EDIT: I take that back, I also see Sun conjunct Uranus/NeptuneOther 2 Neptune conjunct MC and desc Node conjunct MC (have no knowledge what these mean)..if I may ask, how relevant is Desc Node? I never included it in any of my charts
Other 2 Neptune conjunct MC and desc Node conjunct MC (have no knowledge what these mean)..if I may ask, how relevant is Desc Node? I never included it in any of my charts
Where do you see Sun conjunct Uranus and Neptune?
No relevance, I just like adding it for easier processing.
quote:Originally posted by CardinalT-Square: Where do you see Sun conjunct Uranus and Neptune?No relevance, I just like adding it for easier processing.
My apologies, saw that all wrong. It is just Uranus conjunct Neptune
Edit: I would not be surprised if experienced people on here would find many great aspects in your charts, that seems to happen a lot since I am still just learning.. what I think looks like a great chart ends up not being and vice versa lol. So please don't get discouraged by my short comment Also, I think a lot of these oppositions you have going on could be very positive (I see a few with Venus)
Nodes are pretty well aspected in Synastry/composite, and nice houses placements. So there’s significance. However, much tension, arguing, misunderstandings with a lot of personal planets squares, especially, hard Mercury . And Jupiter sq. Pluto in comp. Maybe, some non-traditional arrangement, common business. And she might be not a traditional person by herself.
Did you catch the bit where I asked if she happened to be foreign or of a different culture? I wrote a lot, not sure when/how much you read. Or the bit about first meeting charts.
“Also, generate your first meeting chart. This will be more helpful and distinct to understand the energy influencing, leading up to, the moment you met ... pretty sure Saturn’s been opposite Venus. Synastry and composites can be deceiving to the naked eye [...] By chance, is she foreign, of a different culture then you? You’re instinctively looking for a joyful, educated person to partner up with, a woman who is flamboyant, upfront, somewhat ideological, who is passionate and transformational, but a little extreme and indulgent ... considering the age gap and Sun-NN, I’m assuming your soul is taking a culture-difference route for the learning edge, if not solely by experimenting with age ”
quote:Originally posted by vansio: Did you catch the bit where I asked if she happened to be foreign or of a different culture? I wrote a lot, not sure when/how much you read. Or the bit about first meeting charts. “Also, generate your first meeting chart. This will be more helpful and distinct to understand the energy influencing, leading up to, the moment you met ... pretty sure Saturn’s been opposite Venus. Synastry and composites can be deceiving to the naked eye [...] By chance, is she foreign, of a different culture then you? You’re instinctively looking for a joyful, educated person to partner up with, a woman who is flamboyant, upfront, somewhat ideological, who is passionate and transformational, but a little extreme and indulgent ... considering the age gap and Sun-NN, I’m assuming your soul is taking a culture-difference route for the learning edge, if not solely by experimenting with age ”
No, we're both "Made in USA"😉😆 You got my type narrowed down, I do enjoy a woman who knows how to have fun, but also a strong head on her shoulders. Despite my Capricorn Descendant, I enjoy younger women, and they're attracted to me, if you met me in real life though, you'd be hard-pressed to believe I'm 34, most think I'm 21😆
How do I make a "First Meeting Chart"?
Thanks for everyone's opinion! Keep'em coming!
@Stoika7: We both enjoy the square/opposition energies, especially me since she changes my natal T-Square to a Grand-Cross, so we have many outlets for our energy, and any dissagreements we potentially would have, we would just joke about them and laugh. We don't sweat the small unimportant stuff, advantages to me being a Libra Moon and her an Aries Sun, Mars, and Saturn.
I also like how her Sun, Mercury, and Venus mirror mine in their respective house placements😆😉
I don't remember the exact time we first laid eyes on each other, so it might be off a minute or 2, I ommited the Vertex for now because of the unsure minute. Let me know if I missed anything.
Anyone have experience with both Venuses being involved in a T-Square with Saturn? Specifically our T-Square if possible.
to think of her contributions as enhancing your relationship instead of undermining your role, otherwise I think you could be operating from a place of insecurity about your role in relationship & take all forms of input as though they were her “aggressing” & this would not be helpful to creating/sustaining equal partnership which is defined by balance & exchange, not stasis.
I think if you are comfortable with her natural modes of expressing as an Aries Sun & secure in expressing your nurturing side towards her this could work ^_^
Let me know what you think, even if it doesn’t really resonate
quote:Originally posted by livvywatermonkey: I think if you are comfortable with her natural modes of expressing as an Aries Sun & secure in expressing your nurturing side towards her this could work ^_^Let me know what you think, even if it doesn’t really resonate
That resonates quite accurately, even though I don't much care for the reversed roles😆 I let her take control a couple times while we were dancing, and surprisingly, it turned out to be a lot of fun, she didn't like it too much that I was doing so much of the leading😆 She was thinking it was best for us both to have an equal amount of fun, just like me. I'm not used to women actually wanting to take the helm, usually I end up doing all the work, and not worrying about what they want, they just follow my lead. It was weird, but yet soothing and relaxing going with the flow for once. I can't even begin to describe how amazing it was to finally have an Aries woman who's Sun and other personal planet (in this case Mars) close enough to actually be in orb when opposing my Moon, and squaring my Mars and Sun, it was such a relief to have somewhere else for my T-Square energy to flow. Now if only someone could help me understand the Cardinal and Fixed Grand-Crosses we share in our Synastry? Especially since both our Nodes are involved with our cardinal cross.
quote:Originally posted by CardinalT-Square:Now if only someone could help me understand the Cardinal and Fixed Grand-Crosses we share in our Synastry? Especially since both our Nodes are involved with our cardinal cross.
I have a natal t-square (Mars-Moon-Venus) in mutable signs. I often vacillate between what I want and need, do or don't do. My guy's Sun completes it into a grand cross and he's like my sounding board. He helps me feel more confident with my decisions. He will challenge me at times. Although people say the grand cross is tension but I find it a good outlet for my t-square. There's a lot of growth.
For yours in Cardinal signs... I feel that she will push you to take action, or don't. She will challenge your way of thinking.
quote:I've read others opinions saying it's better for the man's Sun to be conjunct the woman's NN and for the woman's Moon to be conjunct the man's NN, is this just a case in biases?
I learned this in vedic, specifically from Astrolada. It makes sense when you think of Sun=masculine=male and Moon=feminine=female. She explains it as naturally for a man they want to feel a woman's feminine energy and for a woman, the other way around, so for your NN to be conjunct her Sun you're drawn by her definitely but over time, you might find her masculine energy too strong. But that's not to say your NN conjunct her Sun and her NN conjunct your Moon are bad. They're still good. She might really appreciate your nurturing side. However, you did say that with your Sun in 1H you don't like dominating woman, but look at her chart. She IS dominating (lol). I'm seeing tension attraction here so whether this turns into a tango or squabble waits to be seen, hehe... I'm also thinking that your Mars in 7H is why you're drawn to her Aries traits but Mars square Mars there and in Composite you have Sun square Mars.
quote:Originally posted by CardinalT-Square:Thanks Hikaru29! That makes things a little clearer for me. Is their a lot of arguing between you and your guy?
There's a lot of sparring between us and it's fun, but when we argue we can really come at each other. I'm more agressive maybe becos of my t-square.
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